There are true victims in the world, then there are chronic complainers who keep themselves in a victimized state closing the door to progress, healing and growth.
It could have started in childhood or sprung up when they were older, but those who have a victim mentality know one thing for sure: Nothing ever works out for them.
This belief system keeps them in a rut and prevents them from seeing options that could be right in front of them.
Are you or someone you know a self-perpetuating victim?
(The following is a loose transcript of episode 57)
When this article is published, I’ll be in Vermont enjoying some recreation time with someone very close to me. It’s something I’ve been looking forward to for a long time.
Having a long-term goal makes the journey more meaningful and fills you with a purpose.
This article is about the victim mentality. The people who have this mentality are what I call Self-Perpetuating Victims. They are heavily focused on all the bad that happened and is happening right now instead of focusing on something good now and in the future.
My trip to Vermont is in a few days as of this writing and it has driven and motivated me every day. I often stop and imagine what it will be like to have some time off with someone I love. I am in a place that no matter what else is going on in the world, this trip is something I can look forward to.
Self-perpetuating victims on the other hand don’t look forward to things. They commit to unhappiness in the moment. They have no long-term plans and don’t think about how to make their lives better, they’re only focused on how bad things are.
Have you ever heard the term, “What you think about, you bring about”?
It’s not a term you’ll hear me use often because it’s too closely tied to positive thinking. When you’re told to “think positively” it’s too easy to forget that you might have some repressed emotions to deal with first. The positive thinking will sit on top and cover your negative emotions causing them to stay repressed.
I believe a positive stream of thoughts can be highly beneficial but only after you’ve processed and released the deeper-rooted stuff below. Self-perpetuating victims however have a negative stream of thoughts. Their thoughts are very inwardly focused on all the bad that has happened and will happen. What this does is recycle bad thoughts over and over again. There’s nothing ever new in their patterns so they just watch the reruns of the pain and misery they went through.
There are real victims in the world who are looking toward the future to change their lives for the better, then there are those who are stuck in a loop repeating bad decisions, and chronically complaining about how bad their life is.
The intention of this article is to help you determine who deserves your sympathy as opposed to those who deserves your tough love.
There are people who suffer and are the victims of quite heinous acts of violence and abuse, then there are those who wallow in self-pity from the endless chain of terrible situations that they put themselves in.
There’s a key differentiation between victims of other people’s behavior and victims of self-initiated behavior. A true victim does not cause the event to happen to themselves. But a personal with a victim mentality (the self-perpetuating victim) lit the fuse long before the event occurred causing a chain of events that led to their suffering.
The self-perpetuating victim fulfills their own destiny by setting things in motion that will cause problems for them in the future.
For this type of person, it seems the situation is the cause of the problem. But in reality it’s the orchestration of events that led up to that situation that caused the problems they are having.
It sounds a little complex at first but you probably get where I’m going with this. And I bet you know someone who plays the self-perpetuating victim. Or maybe you’ve even done this yourself. Either way it’s important to recognize who the actual victims are and just who is causing their suffering over and over again.
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I want to share with you something that happened to me very recently that involved my stepfather. My stepfather is an extremely toxic individual and has brought much dysfunction into my and my family’s life. If you listen to my show you’ve probably heard me talk about him from time to time.
He has the ability to bring deep hurt and powerful lessons to almost everyone he knows. And quite frankly, he needs to exist so that those who meet him will learn and grow from what he brings to the world. He has been a huge influence in my life in many ways. From the early days of abuse and neglect to later on when I became a self-perpetuating victim myself, taking with me all the survival techniques and coping mechanisms I learned during childhood in order to feel safe in the world.
When I started questioning my own beliefs and where they came from, I realized a lot of lessons derived from his unintentional teachings. These revelations allowed me to become aware of my own dysfunction and start healing from the inside out. And once healing started within, I could share my healing with others and help them heal as well.
This is what happens when you start to heal: You usually want to share how to heal with others. It’s that built-in compassion we all have but sometimes don’t know how to access. If you want to access compassion, start your own healing first and compassion will show up as if it were always there.
So back to the story…
My stepfather emailed my mom to ask to borrow some money. In his message he asked for money from both my mom and me for some reason (he never sent an email to me directly). I told my mom to ignore him. .Since my mom wants nothing to do with him anyway, she told him “Sorry, we don’t have any money to lend you.”
And that was that.
He never replied to the email she sent him but did end up sending an email to another family member and told her that we (my mom and I) ‘ruined his life because we wouldn’t lend him money’.
We “ruined his life”. Wow!
Even though you probably don’t know my stepfather, judging from that short sentence can you guess if my stepfather is a real victim or a self-perpetuating victim?
This kind of response is a manipulation technique. He contacted another family member in hopes that they would feel compassion for his situation and turn members of the family against each other to cater to his ultimate plan.
I don’t think he’s actually that clever to devise such a plan, I just think he’s learned to do what works. The problem is this type of manipulation might have worked had he still lived near the rest of the family because of how many members of my family feared standing up to him.
In other words, when he was here enmeshed with the family and their activities, he had influence. Now that he’s far away, he has very little influence over them. So he attempted to use the same strategies that once worked, but is now getting turned down left and right.
He is slowly learning that in order to get his way he will either need to straighten up and be accountable for his own life, or move back to an environment (close to family) where he had some level of control. I use the word “control” very loosely because even though he didn’t necessarily control anyone, everyone around him still felt controlled. They didn’t want to say “no” to him but they were just fearful enough to give him what he wanted.
Then when he moved away from the family to live in another state, he lost any control he had. And the longer he’s been gone the more the family has learned what it’s like to not be around such a destructive influence. I really believe my entire family is getting a sense of empowerment and strength back because of his absence from their lives.
His attempt to turn us against each other had failed and will continue to fail, because he’s no longer an influence in our lives. And as far as him needing money all we have to do is look at his priorities. He currently makes more money than a lot of people I know, including my family, but spends a good portion of it on alcohol, cigarettes, and internet scams so it’s difficult to have any type of compassion for someone who simply won’t take responsibility for his life and always manipulates to get his way.
If you haven’t guessed: He is a self-perpetuating victim.
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In general, a victim is one who is the target, intended or otherwise of an accident or purposeful attack.
A “self-perpetuating” victim is one who created the circumstances for that accident or purposeful attack to take place.
There’s a fine line between the two here because one could easily say that someone “asked” for an attack, for example, if they wandered into the wrong neighborhood at night and got mugged. But not everyone knows the history of every neighborhood nor the crime rate. And if your car broke down in the middle of nowhere you could be the one walking into an unfamiliar neighborhood and become a victim yourself from an attack or something else.
However if you drove through this same neighborhood every day and your car was acting up, then one day it broke down and you were attacked, would you still consider yourself a helpless victim? Or would you take responsibility for not taking your car into the mechanic when you had the chance?
Is that a trick question?
That scenario may sound a tad unfair but let’s just explore it for a moment. Let’s say that you decided to get your car fixed before driving through that neighborhood. Your car probably wouldn’t have broken down and you wouldn’t have gotten attacked. You would have set yourself up to succeed in a way.
However if you decided not to get your car fixed and you did get attacked, you could probably pinpoint the moment the chain of events began that led to the attack. When did the chain start? Did it start at the point where you decided not to bring your car to a mechanic? Or did it start when your car broke down?
Depending on your answer you will either be empowered or not. If you were attacked it doesn’t mean the attackers aren’t to blame but looking at this particular scenario it does reveal a level of responsibility you need to take for your actions (or inactions) in what happened.
These issues are tough to talk about because no one deserves to be victimized but there is a level of responsibility we must take for our own actions because we are sometimes at cause for what happens to us, at least indirectly.
Being the victim of something we set in motion long ago is different than walking down the street and a girder falling on your head. Unless you were the careless worker who welded that girder into place 6 months ago thinking it was “good enough” (that would be quite ironic wouldn’t it?) or if you knew it was a construction zone and the signs told you to stay out but you decided to go in anyway.
There are real victims in the world then there are those that blame the world for their problems even though they themselves are creating their own misery.
I’m talking about, for example, the person who chooses not to pay taxes or show up for court dates, or the person who speeds in school zones. These same people blame the IRS when they want their money, and blame the police when they get arrested. “Why aren’t they out there arresting the ‘real’ bad guys!?”
There are people who consistently deceive or rip others off then get angry when they themselves get ripped off. For example my dad (I hate to pick on him because he’s passed on but it’s a perfect analogy). Many years ago I remember getting a phone call out of the blue about from someone that lived in the next town over from me. They asked if my father was available and I told them I hadn’t seen him in a while. Then I asked how they got my number and why they were using it to call him. They said they were clients of his and he started a construction job at their house. They paid him up front but disappeared on them and was never seen again.
I was immediately shocked and embarrassed. I didn’t think my dad ever did that, but apparently he was leaving people high and dry. At this time, I had no contact with my father, but I did everything I could to locate his new number and address and give it to these people. They sounded very kind, and weren’t even that angry. It was more like they got the feeling they just got ripped off, so they were even embarrassed to call me!
I felt for them, and I don’t know if they ever got a hold of my father, but it made me think back to all the times my dad would complain about how everyone “screwed him over” all the time. He would say things like, “Don’t the police have anything better to do than to catch speeders? It’s ridiculous! They just sit out there giving tickets.”
I asked him, did you get caught for speeding? He said “Yes. It’s so stupid. There are people getting raped and mugged right now, and they pull me over for speeding.”
I then asked, “Were you speeding?” And he replied, “That’s not the point! They’re a bunch of idiots and should be out catching the real criminals.”
Now I know there are a few of you agreeing his comments right now, but think about my question to him. What I really asked is, “Did you break the law?” and since he did, but did not want to be accountable for his actions, he became a self-perpetuating victim. If anything, he should be upset with himself.
And, it’s possible he was upset with himself, but was taking it out on those who enforce the law. But my point is, my dad created a scenario that led him to own his victimhood. Instead of taking accountability for his actions and accepting that he broke the law and got what was expected, he chose to gripe, complain and whine over how the system is corrupt.
My father created scenarios like this all the time. The people that called me looking for him, his former clients, may have eventually sought a lawyer. And, when they found him, he would probably have blamed the court system, or his former clients. Nothing was ever his fault, it was always someone else’s.
He died a poor man. Again, I say this with all due respect to my father. I rekindled our relationship before he died. But I do remember him complaining about all the nurses that were helping him. He seemed to get more aggravated with people the closer he got to passing.
This showed me that as he aged, he took how he perceived the world with him right up until his dying day. How we perceive the world can change as we get older, unless we believe we are a victim to the world.
Believing you are a victim stops your growth. It prevents you from moving into a new space of learning. When you get into this place of self-perpetuating victimhood, you create a downward spiral of “bad luck”, and that momentum usually brings more bad luck into your life.
When you think the world owes you, or that it is against you, you close the door to growth and progress. It’s self-imposed bad karma. It’s a belief system that will limit you, and keep you impoverished in many ways.
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A self-perpetuating victim is one who feels they’ve given enough to others, and now want a return on their investments. They want the world to repay them for all their years of service.
But when this mentality takes you over, it stops you from seeking other ways to give. It prevents you from finding the joy in giving, and furthermore, keeps you from ever seeing any returns except ones that will make you feel even more victimized.
When you think you are owed anything, you slow down and wait for the world to respond. It is a place of waiting, and being upset until you get what you want. There is no movement in being a self-proclaimed victim.
There is a time when you are a real victim, don’t get me wrong. When someone sucker punches you, it’s likely you never saw it coming. But think of something that you were a victim to, and think about how you may have perpetrated that event.
If you were a child, you did nothing to perpetrate it, because you weren’t old enough to understand what was happening. In my opinion, nothing is your fault when you are a child, which is why we have caretakers. We all learn how to be adults when we’re children, but we shouldn’t be expected to act like adults.
I’ve talked with abuse survivors who took the blame for their part in the abuse they got as children. Let me let you off the hook right now! If you were abused as a child, you were a true victim, and none of it was your fault. A friend of mine calls true victims, “Innocents”, which is a term I like. As someone who is a victim beyond their control, they truly are an innocent.
As children, we look up to people to help us and guide us through life. When they say what’s right or wrong, we believe them. They help mold us into the people we become. Children are simply following the path laid before them.
You are not at fault for anything you did as a kid, no matter what you heard. You may have done some things you wish you hadn’t, but it was still a matter of how you were raised, not who you were born as.
What I’m talking about in this episode are those who know better, but don’t do better. Those who leave a small tip for good service at a restaurant, and expect good service the next time; Or those who spend $170 a month on cable and $100 on cigarettes but complain about the price of milk.
There are many times where we set ourselves up to be a victim… a victim of our own doing. But we can’t see it at the time it’s happening.
It’s funny, a couple weeks ago, a friend of mine asked me for money. This person asks a lot of people for money quite often, so I figured it was a matter of time before he asked me. I chose to respect my own boundaries and refused to lend him $5. Hey, I know, it’s only $5, but it’s also a door that, once opened, will be hard to close. In other words, he’ll continually ask for money if I don’t set the boundaries of our relationship here and now.
And just a few minutes later, I saw him with scratch tickets. So he asks people for money, and gambles it away. I’m not trying to sound judgmental, because anyone can do anything they want with their money; However, this person is always complaining about how broke he is, and can’t ever get ahead. Yet, all I have to do is look at his behavior and see that he continually perpetuates his own problems.
This type of victim mentality is infectious too. Once someone sucks you into how bad their life is, you either want to run away because you can’t stand being around them, or you get sucked into the drama and wallow in it with them.
Self-perpetuating victims believe they have no choice and no options. That is the first indication that they have closed off their own growth and development. If you believe you have no choice, then you close yourself off to any options that come your way. You brick the doorway, blocking all incoming and outgoing information.
The belief that you have absolutely no choice closes your mind. In reality, almost everyone has a choice, they just don’t like the choices they have.
When I ended up at a soup kitchen because I had no money, I could have wallowed in my victimhood and claimed to have no choice but to go to the soup kitchen. It simply wasn’t true, an alternative to that would be to live on the street, begging for change. That is a choice I could have made. There is almost always another choice, but we usually don’t want to face the worst case scenario.
A real victim will be in a situation where the choices aren’t apparent. And the circumstances will seem impossible to avoid, so they get hurt or worse. But a self-perpetuating victim will sometimes be presented with choices, but because they don’t want to consider them, they’ll remove those choices from their reality.
These types of people demand the attention and support of others, in hopes they wallow in pity with them. They get their fix from the attention they get, unfortunately. And, most of us are so compassionate, we listen and feel for them. And sometimes we give in and believe they truly are in a space of no options. Even when they know they have options, they want you to believe they have none. This helps their story, and puts them in the spotlight.
It’s a dysfunction, and the perfect excuse to stop progressing in life. And now that we have some sort of understanding of what a self-perpetuating victim is, let’s wrap this up with some ways to communicate with people like this.
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There are real victims in the world. Or, like my friend calls them, “innocents”. They are the ones where they think they’re doing the right thing, and may even be cognizant and on the lookout for the dangers, but still fall prey to attacks or accidents.
These are the people who are driving along the highway but get slammed into by a drunk driver. They are the ones who believe they are getting an email from their aunt Barbara, but it turns out to be a virus and wipes their computer. They are the innocent ones who just ran into unfortunate situations.
Then there are those who set in motion an entire future of bad situations. They perpetuate the chain of events that lead to tragedy after tragedy, causing their own suffering without even realizing it.
It’s like the time in my youth when I used to steal from the store where I worked. I stole quite a bit, and never got caught. However, for some reason, my car kept getting broken into! It took four break-ins until I finally put two and two together. Whatever I do in the world does seem to come back to me in some way, shape or form.
I’m not saying there’s an absolute one to one ratio that everything you do is karmically reciprocated in some way, but do you think if you developed that belief system, it would actually improve your life somehow? Do you think that if you knew that everything you did came back to you in some way, you’d change anything you do now?
Knowing what’s “right” or “wrong” is hardwired into us. We just seem to know intrinsically that it’s not okay to to hurt other people, steal from them, or deceive them in any way. Yet, sometimes we do it. And, sometimes it comes back to bite us. I don’t know what’s happening out there, whether it’s Karma, God, Buddha, or any of a number of belief systems, but life is a whole lot easier when we’re being kind to others.
When we’re kind, it doesn’t mean that people will always be kind back, but at least we were kind. And that’s what we take with us through this journey in life. Our kindness to others defines our path, in my opinion. Sure, it’s nice for the people we’re kind to as well, but really, what we put into the world is how we program our reality.
And maybe that’s what all of this is about. Maybe it’s not Karma, God, or Buddha or anything else, but us. Maybe we are designed to be our own judger. Even if you believe in creationism, it can still work, because we could be designed to bring our own punishment as reciprocation to those we punish.
Wouldn’t that be an interesting perspective? In other words, if you do something you know is wrong, there’s a small part of you that stores it away in your subconscious mind. This part sits in the background and creates a moment for you later on, presenting you with a situation that makes it appear you are a victim. When in reality, it was brewing in your mind all along.
Bear with me, because I know this is a stretch for some of you, but when you think about something bad you did to someone else, do you still feel bad about that today? Things that we do to others that we don’t feel very good about seem to stick around, either as a reminder, or to help us make different decisions in the future. But they could also stick around to create a situation where we experience of punishment of some sort.
I know, it sounds so awful when I call it a punishment, and maybe it’s not that. But think about something you did to someone in your past that you wish you hadn’t. And when you think about it, can you think of anything that has happened in your life that almost seems like payback for that time?
It’s possible you come up with something right away. But it’s also possible that, because you’ve learned your lesson, you never had to be punished, or disciplined, or whatever you want to call it. What goes around didn’t have to come around because you actually learned from the experience.
This is how you can become the “innocent” once again. It’s when you learn from the experience so that it doesn’t continue to haunt you and create scenarios where you are a victim. This learning is a place of empowerment. When you learn from your ways, you gain wisdom and clarity.
Those who don’t learn, repeat bad behavior and repeatedly bring bad situations into their lives. The perpetuation of bad events may seem random and untimely, but when you look for the origination, you can usually find something that set things in motion.
I’m kind of going round and round with this topic, and I apologize about that, so let’s get into some practical steps we can take when dealing with a self-perpetuating victim.
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Realize that they’ve been doing this a long time, and you cannot change who they are.
This is vital to understand. Many compassionate people automatically want to help. However, a perpetual victim gets their needs met bit by bit through temporary fixes, returning to the same place they started. They might ask for a dollar, and you could give them a million, but in six months, they’ll ask for a dollar again. They’ve embraced a victim mentality, and good fortune often turns into bad luck for them.
Once you accept that they have a victim mentality, and may always have one, you’ll have a clearer perspective of what you are dealing with. This doesn’t mean they will always think this way, but the first step is to accept that they don’t want to change. They meet a need by maintaining this mentality.
This is known as “Secondary Gain” – they exhibit a destructive behavior that benefits them somehow. Whether it’s the attention they get from others or something else, they will continue this behavior until people stop responding to them. Even then, they may just find others who will respond, restarting the cycle.
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Honor your own boundaries around them
When I said “no” to my friend when he asked for money, I made it clear that I would not be drawn into his problems or enable him. I didn’t use those words; I just said, “No.” Immediately afterward, I told him how much I value our friendship and that I didn’t want any bad feelings between us. You know those awkward feelings when someone owes you money, right? I choose to avoid that scenario by saying “no” upfront.
By honoring yourself, you avoid getting involved in their drama. This keeps you at a distance where you are not entangled in their “victimness”.
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Ask “Why?”
I want to know what story the self-perpetuating victim believes about why things happen to them. I might ask, “Why do you think this keeps happening to you?” They might respond, “I don’t know, I just have a lot of bad luck!” or tell the story of what caused the problems in the first place, like “Ever since I lost my job, it’s been nothing but an uphill battle.”
It’s helpful to know their story because it reveals what they believe is causing their “bad luck.” You can help them find solutions, but they often respond with more excuses. For example, if you suggest they find a new job, they might say, “Oh, it won’t matter. I’m too far in debt now, so why bother?”
Victims often have a “why bother?” attitude because they believe nothing will change, so they avoid trying new things. After asking, “Why do you think this keeps happening?” a good follow-up is, “Did it ever happen before that?” This can help them recall a time before their victimhood began and may reconnect them with a time when things were not so bad.
If their victim mentality has persisted for as long as they can remember, they may require therapy to address old belief systems. Therapy may help them replace childhood beliefs that cause them to feel like a victim. The next item offers a step in that direction.
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Ask them “What is missing from your life?”
This powerful question helps them reflect on what they believe they need to be happy and fulfilled. Their first response might be about money, love, or another broad concept. When they answer, ask, “What else is missing from your life?” to encourage deeper thinking.
They might avoid going further due to pain or reluctance, but if you can get them to explore what they are missing, they may find revealing answers. Self-perpetuating victims spend much of their time worrying about how bad things are or could get, rather than considering what they truly need.
If someone says they need money, they often see it as a quick fix rather than addressing the root cause. If you ask, “What is missing from your life?” and they reply, “Money,” a good follow-up might be, “Why do you think that is?” to encourage them to look deeper at the actual causes rather than the symptoms.
Victims may blame external circumstances, but many people face similar issues without feeling perpetually victimized. Asking questions like, “Do you remember when your money problems started?” forces them to consider when things began to go wrong and to see the moment they created the belief that “everything bad happens to me.” This opens the opportunity to make different decisions moving forward.
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Finally, ask “What is one thing you can change about your life now that will prevent this from happening again in the future?”
By helping them identify one actionable change, it takes them out of overwhelm and into the present moment, where they can make a choice to prevent future problems. A perpetual victim might claim they’ve tried everything and nothing works. In such cases, ask, “If there were something you could do, what would it be?” and be open to any answer they give, even if it sounds unrealistic or humorous.
This exercise gives them a chance to express their thoughts and emotions. Often, when they consider what they could do to change their life, they connect with a part of themselves that needs healing. This may help them identify deep-rooted negative emotions that need addressing.
Connecting with these emotions might help them envision a more positive future. It’s a slim chance, but it’s a possibility worth nurturing.
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People with a victim mentality are basically chronic complainers. A chronic complainer is looking for an audience. Once they find someone who sympathizes, they get the attention they want. It feeds into their needs, and they’ll do even more complaining because it gives them a fix.
But people grow tired of chronic complainers. They back away and soon want nothing to do with them. A chronic complainer will wear you out, then soon you can’t take anymore and walk away. The chronic complainer needs their next fix, so they look for someone with compassion and start all over again.
Unfortunately, a victim mentality is a tough state to escape from, because self-perpetuating victims have plenty of references telling them that they are right. After all, just look at the news, it corroborates everything they’re saying! But, just like the chronic complainer, the news only highlights the bad stuff.
When someone only highlights the bad stuff, sometimes you have to remind them of the good stuff. This can be in the form of pointing out what’s good in their life, like what they’ve created in the world, whether it’s their children, or how they bring happiness into other people’s lives, or even how they’ve made a difference in some way.
They sometimes need to be reminded of how great they are, and that when they are contributing, they bring a lot of value to others. But when they are focused on everything bad that happens, they lose sight of how fortunate they are.
It’s an attitude of gratitude they’ve lost touch with. And sometimes little reminders of what there is to be grateful for can be what it takes to shake up their foundation a little, so that they step out of victimhood, and into a more positive place.
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I talk about my stepfather a lot, I realize. It’s hard not to talk about someone who has affected your life so much, that you have to spend about 10 years healing from who you became in order to survive your childhood.
But almost all of my dysfunctional behavior came from learning to survive in an environment that presented the challenge of an abusive alcoholic. Unfortunately for my mom, she would protect us from his abuse by being the victim. She would sometimes put herself in harm’s way to protect her children, so I sometimes wonder how deep her wounds are.
Though I’ve talked about her marriage with her, she doesn’t like diving too deeply into her painful history. Once she accesses those painful emotions, she comes right back and changes the subject.
That’s okay. For the longest time, I would want her to share what she wouldn’t share, but I realized I was pushing her too much, so I completely let go of wanting to help her change. For the most part, she seems happy now. So my desire to dig deeper and pull out some painful history is really a selfish one, which is why I let it go.
Our desire to help others needs to be because of what they want, and not because we want to save them.
For a long time, I saw my mom as a victim. But knowing she doesn’t like visiting the past, but likes looking into the future, does make me feel better. Sure, there may be some deeply rooted pain in there, but if she spends the majority of her time enjoying the now and looking ahead, who am I to argue with that?
There are some therapists that think we all think too much anyway. I recently read an article by Lois Holzman in Psychology Today who says we spend way too much time looking for what causes things, instead of looking into what we can do for ourselves right now.
To an extent, I agree. If you spend the majority of your time asking “why” something is the way it is, you’ll sabotage your future because you’ll be obsessed with your past. However, sometimes finding the cause of something that happened is the best way to heal and learn from it.
And, when you dig down to the original event that caused the chain of events that created the problem, you can sometimes learn a great truth you may not have been aware of before. Knowing is closure and sometimes a quick path to healing.
So if you find yourself obsessing over the “why” of something, remember that what you are doing today is creating the new “why” of tomorrow. Everything you do in the now will affect your future. It’s okay to look for cause so that you can process and let things go, but don’t let an unanswered “why” hold you back from creating the future you want.
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There is a difference between being the victim of something you did not create, and something you did. What are you creating in your life right now that you know is going sneak up on you one day and create a bad situation?
I used to be passive aggressive, and not say what I really meant. This always snuck up on me later. So I started honoring my boundaries and giving firm answers to people. This left no question in their mind what I meant. Start being firm in who you are and what you say, it will leave little room for interpretation, and will prevent you from perpetuating bad situations in your future.
You’re smart, so you know what’s going to sneak up on you later. Take care of things now, so they don’t linger and create havoc later. I know you can do this! I believe in you. Sometimes you just need to take some hard steps up front to make things easier later.
I realize this is from Oct. 2014 and surprisingly, I’m the only comment. I was searching for “how to talk to a husband who is always a victim”, and your page came up. I have recently been accepting God in my life more, and have been asking for the tools to deal with my situation. I feel that your site was provided as one of those tools. I am grateful I found and read your entire page here. In a few days, my husband and I will have been married for 25 years. As of about 10 years ago he really became the victim, or more correctly put, the self-perpetuating victim and a serious chronic complainer. I didn’t really see this until the last 5 years, but now I am at the point of being drained by him, psychologically and emotionally. Our adult children (21/24/28) all have experienced it, and because of it don’t have any relationship with him, and the two younger ones live in our home still while working and going to school. They tell me how much I helped them through the darker times here at home with their dad, and I am grateful for that. I am 50 and going though my own “changes” and I am looking at our situation and predicament through clearer eyes. I am much more honest with my feelings with my husband and he’s not accustomed to that. He now says that I am not normal, not the wife I used to be. He couldn’t be more right. The problem is that he, like you mentioned, won’t listen to my thoughts, feelings or suggestions. He makes excuses, places blame, and takes no responsibility in anything. I am searching for the best choice of words and responses to help me, and in turn help us. I grew up with a single alcoholic mom, in a very dysfunctional environment. I have been an enabler and have had to unlearn that behavior. I have, for too many years, enabled my husbands behavior. Now that I am seeing more clearly, this is what he sees as me not being my “normal” self. Any advice or suggestions would be welcome.
Thank you so much for your comment here and for sharing your story. The hard truth is that some people don’t want to change, nor do they want others around them to change. They find a place of comfort in their ways and from that point on just expect the world to accept who they are or move on.
And there’s actually nothing wrong with that at all. I teach you to honor your boundaries and live authentically. Your husband has a way of being that he doesn’t want to change – good for him!
The problem with that is that he is angry and playing the victim (and making your life miserable)…
Not good. When you believe the world owes you or that nothing is your fault, you also take no responsibility for what you create in your life.
Seeing no fault in yourself causes you to push inner anger outward. And those kind of people are no fun to be around.
Add to that when someone playing the victim is in a relationship with someone healing from her past and honoring herself, the victim gets scared that he will no longer be able to push blame onto her. In fact, the more empowered she becomes, the more he will have to face his own demons.
“Enabling” allows the other person to not have to face consequences.
No consequences = no chance for self-empowerment.
What does this mean for you? If you want to stay in this relationship, you will have to reach a place of acceptance. What you accept will determine your course of action.
I have an acceptance exercise:
If you can’t accept the problem, solve it
If you can’t solve the problem, adapt to it
If you can’t adapt to the problem, walk away from it
If you can’t walk away from the problem, accept it
Repeat until suffering ends.
You must come to terms with one of these statements in order to reach a new place inside yourself. If you really can’t accept who he is (knowing he’ll never change), and you can’t figure out a way to adapt to it and you won’t walk away, you will continue to suffer.
I don’t want this for you. I want you to step out of the suffering, but the only way to do that is to do one of the above.
Most people don’t want to come to terms with any of those statements and they instead wait for the other person to change. My mom did this for 43 years. She chose not to choose and waited until her abusive, alcoholic husband finally left her. It only took 43 years! She waited for him to change every day of her life.
Regardless of his history, all you have to look at in your relationship is his behavior TODAY. How he behaves and how he treats you today is the only thing to consider, not his past.
Yes, his past affects his behavior today, but all you have is right now. So, if he really does have a sorted past that he cannot heal from, then maybe he needs to find someone that can help him do that. If he refuses, then you know what will happen (nothing).
The question is, do you really want to fix a relationship where your partner doesn’t support your happiness?
You may want to, I don’t know and I won’t guide you either way. All I care about is that you are empowered to make decisions that are right for you.
A true, loving, supportive partner honors you honoring yourself. If you are not getting that from your partner, then you are supporting him dishonoring you.
I know that sounds harsh, but the end result really is that.
I highly recommend you listen to my episode:
When Others Aren’t Ready For You To Evolve
http://theoverwhelmedbrain.com/when-others-arent-ready-for-you-to-evolve/
It will expound on what I mean.
I want the best for you, and I hope you are able to find resolution here. Thank you again for writing.
My ex-wife told me that everything wrong with our relationship was 100% my fault.
So now she lies about me to everyone she talks to and recently tried to keep my children from.
It is just hard for me to believe how much she has changed or at least shifted from blaming her first husband for everything wrong to blaming me. So, I guess she hasn’t changed just the person she blames for everything wrong in her life.
This is very telling of her and it sounds like she’ll never get what she wants in life if she chooses to take no responsibility for her role in her relationships. Sorry to hear that you are going through this, but I appreciate you sharing. I think new relationships tend to bring out the best behaviors in us, then as we settle in we start to see the real person underneath. I would rather people show up as they are so I can assess right away instead of getting lured into a situation where I’m now attached in many ways.
I hope you are able to find resolution to this! Thank you again.
I found this while looking up how to deal with my grandmother who lives the epitome of this. Everyone either caters to her while she acts like this, or has given up and avoids her as much as possible. Meanwhile I was actually victimized for years in a graduate program, and those same people told me to “get over it.” I suppose it’s partially my fault for continuing to walk into an emotionally abusive and toxic situation, but my dream career (and all forms of investment) were on the line, and I wasn’t willing to give them up just because some people wanted to treat me like garbage and blame me for it. There are students with disabilities who have grounds to sue, and it took me years to realize that I was actually victimized because they convinced me it was all my own fault, if they even acknowledged that it was happening.
Thank you so much for sharing this Katie. Sometimes we make choices to take things as-is even though we disagree with them just to get to the next level in our lives. I knew I wanted to leave my dysfunctional home as a teenager but also knew I had to grin and bear it until I was old enough to leave.
Sometimes toxic people are a lesson in resilience and can be used as a stepping stone to something better instead of an obstacle to keep us where we are. Sounds like you knew you what you wanted so you made some sacrifices to get that.
Weighing the sacrifices against the outcome is something to consider in any situation for sure, as long as you can get through the toxic environment fairly unscathed!
Thank you again for sharing.
My mother has the Victim or Martyr Complex as well as clinical depression. It’s taken me 30 years of my life to finally see it, but have just recently began researching the topic. Over a year ago was when I finally reached my breaking point and practically severed my relationship with her.
My problem is she is caretaker to my younger brother who has Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy. I feel her issues affect my brother’s environment and emotional and mental state. I’ve tried to continue seeing my brother and keep my distance from her, but she has manipulated my brother to start fights with me when she feels “offended” or “hurt” by me ignoring her or even getting frustrated with her. She will play victim to not only her circumstances but also my brother’s. She will play up his condition but whenever I bring up possible solutions or ideas (or God forbid a group home), I either get dismissed or attacked (villainized) and these “problems” either continue on or somehow magically disappear when the conditions have not changed.
My husband, his family, and I have bent over backwards for her in the past and our efforts are either not good enough, discarded, or then grown to be expected. She has been the root of my anger, anxiety, social anxiety, and bouts of depression. Almost all of which have gone away since cutting her out of my life. Just recently though I got upset with her. Verbally I said nothing, didn’t fight, but she could tell I was mad. She proceeded to turn my brother against me followed by two days of harassment from him online in which I’ve now had to block him. She is hoping I will come back to her because of my brother. She has done these manipulation and control tactics in the past. I can’t talk to her at all because if I do she either cries and plays the victim &/or manipulates me into feeling like the villain. I can’t talk to her about my own life because she turns everything into a negative and instills a sense of hopelessness.
I’m at a crossroads. I’m about to give birth to my daughter and already have a 5 year old son that are my priority. I want my children to have a normal, happy life. I have worked hard to be mindful of learned behavior from her so as not to pass that down to my children. I still can’t help but feel like I have abandoned my brother who now has no one else in his life because of everyone else she has pushed away. I’m still not sure if I can ever forgive her or even learn how to deal with her without it affecting my own well being and my family’s. I’m not 100% certain I am doing the right thing…
Your exposure to her exposes her to your children, regardless if they see her directly or not. Whatever you feel from dealing with her passes through you and into the lives of others in your life. Cutting her out of your life is a good decision if you find your life getting better without her manipulation or influence.
I’ve found the most efficient way to work with manipulative people is to provide accountability and FOLLOW THROUGH with it. That means, no second chances. There are all kinds of ways to provide accountability. i.e. “If you turn my brother against me, I won’t call you for a month.” Then you disappear for a month.
That’s just an example, but accountability shows that there are consequences to someone’s behavior. She may not agree that she’s doing anything wrong, but she’ll soon learn what you find offensive. At least then, she can choose to continue doing behavior you disagree with (which leads to consequences she doesn’t like) and/or at least understand exactly what kind of relationship is acceptable to you.
My belief is to throw the entire onus of responsibility onto the manipulative person so that they either shape up or you’ll disappear in one way, shape or form. That way the ball is always in her court on whether she maintains a relationship with you. That means that you get to keep your power and control how your relationship develops. If you give in and start listening to her and doing what she wants you to do, you’ll not only fall into an old pattern of anger against her, but also loathing of yourself for falling for her same old tactics!
How can you forgive her? You don’t have to. It’s not about forgiving her. She is who she is and probably has no idea that her behavior is toxic. My advice is forgive yourself for the decisions you’ve made up to this point then move on to a more empowered place. We often put ourselves into situations that take us way too long to get out of. Our behavior often leads us to feel “stupid” or incompetent – then we blame ourselves for reacting the same old way we’ve always reacted, not honoring our boundaries or keeping toxic behavior in our life.
After you forgive yourself for who you’ve been with her, it’s time to move into a new level of “being” around her. That might mean becoming the parent if she’s going to act like a child (“If you say that again, I’m going to take away your privileges!”). Most people don’t want to be their parent’s parent, but with parents that don’t behave or use their coping mechanisms (manipulation, bullying, etc) against you, you have to take a stand instead of fall into old patterns.
That old pattern might be you wanting the love of a mom but not getting it, causing you to feel bad for not having a mother / parent role model, nurturer, supporter in your life, putting you in a dismal space and taking emotional abuse simply because any attention is at least some attention.
You may have to step into the mom role in your relationship and tell her that her bad behavior is unacceptable. You may have to become acutely aware of when her behavior turns bad too (use your instincts, they’ll warn you when something doesn’t feel right).
With especially crafty people, it’s hard to pinpoint just exactly how or when they manipulate so you need to pay attention to the clues inside you. Your mind and body will tell you something’s wrong. At that point, you need to inquire with her exactly what she’s trying to say or do and get her to explain her motives or agenda.
Bottom line: If your mom is toxic, you need to be strong in yourself and step into the adult you are today. If you allow your mom to rub off on you then no matter how well you hide it from your children, they will still pick up on it (children are great little personality absorbers, they don’t have the filters we have in place so they can usually pick up what we try to hide). You’ve done well to disconnect at least in the sense that you know you are unable to stand up to her and tell her to back off (with love of course, but firm).
As for your brother, it sounds like he has enough wherewithal to make decisions for himself, even if he is being coerced. With family, you have to trust that they will figure things out on their own. He has a powerful, controlling influence in his life. You can either go up against that influence and try to win him back (a completely useless idea in my opinion – she’s been doing this a lot longer than you’ve had the opportunity to figure out even WHAT she’s doing), or you can have faith that your brother will figure your mom out on his own and realize that you aren’t everything (or anything) she says you are.
In fact, don’t be surprised that the less you show up in your mom’s life, the more your brother will start showing up in yours. If you are not around to manipulate, she’s going to find others. You may have to love your brother from afar for now and realize that everything he thinks he believes about you is simply a parroted thought from your mom, not him. This can put you in a “no matter what you think of me, I’ll always love and respect you” space. He can bring on the worse and you simply give back the best. It will hurt (because you don’t want to hear such things from family) but as you stand up for yourself and know what you want in your life, others that want to have that for themselves (confidence in who they are) will admire that quality in you and want to be around you more often.
Don’t play the victim with your mom… that’s exactly where she wants you.
Thank you so much for sharing all of this.
I just wanted to say thank you. This has helped me more than you will ever know.
Thank you Nikki. I appreciate your comment and I’m very happy to hear this helped you. 🙂
You can ONLY be a victim of the monster you create.